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Hi my name is Shelly, (if you haven’t seen my profile please take a look)

If you have seen my profile...please say before posting :->

I’m an 18 years old MODEL & have been modelling for a good while now, I know I look younger than my age but I can’t help that,( doesn’t help getting into clubs tho )

I have ID which togs see before the shoot & copies provided on request..

My looks seem to be a Gift & Curse :- < I have been learning lots from MCM & James is great.

I like many different styles like

1: Hard Core military style bikinis with fake guns

2: Winter Babe: Ugg boots, bikinis woolly hat Local Park

3: Urban/Street hip hop: Tracksuit bottoms, trainers.

4: Goth/ drunk trashed

But my Fav ones are Sexy School girl/teen

Sexy teen, big lolly pops, balloons pig tails etc.

is this wrong to like these style of shoots, i mean it worked for Britney

I just wanted to ask, would there be any reason as “photographers” you would not work with a model that is 18 years old, but doesn’t look it, like me, and wantS to shoot style like sexy school girl,sexy teen ect and

if you wouldnt why, & if you would why

Thanks Shelly

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I guess Shelly it is really down to what the photographer is looking for to be honest. If they are looking for that innocent look, as in girl next door that would be fine, though I would be wary of anyone wanting to make you look younger than 18 intentionally. Sure the schoolgirl image is very popular, but then again so is the cosplay look these days. As for me I think you look stunning any way really, but I prefer the images were you look slightly older personally. I would love to work with you if you weren't so far away too.

Looking young is a curse and a blessing you are right, my daughter is almost 28 and a mother of two but has problems getting into nightclubs at times and I have been told that I look a lot younger than I am (I am almost 50) which for me isn't a problem but when someone says your too young to remember such and such and you inform them that you are actually five years older than they are!

You are a stunning looking woman whose spirit and passion comes through in all her photographs and age aside long may it remain that way
Marc

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You have some strong images in your portfolio, however I find the schoolgirl look disturbing.
Maybe its my age and having a daughter myself, but I do wonder why any photographer would want those images.Each to their own I guess.

Steve

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Quoting sbp from post 3

.I need to point out, it was me who suggested to the photographer to-do the sexy school girl/balloons, pink tops n stuff because this is the style of shoots I really like.

Hi Steve, is it the whole sexy school girl style you find disturbing,or just me? Can I ask do feel this way about things like Britney spears video i did it again? or movies like St Tinian's or mean girls..

shelly

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The problem with being 18 or over and looking younger than 18 lies with the viewer of the images taken, not necessarily with the photographer.

Such photographs of a model looking as if they are under 18, can be, and often are, rejected by internet modelling sites and magazines. Annoying if the photographer is attempting to sell these images or his/her work. It can also be damaging to their reputation.

That a photographer takes such images and uses them for their own amusement, education or pleasure is another matter. We should all be able to analyse our reasons/motivations for freezing a moment in time. Many photographers are mature, older, male. A reasonable number of these will have a fascination for young females, school uniform, innocence, the forbidden and unattainable. As long as it's controlled, the only person affected, possibly harmed, will be the photographer/voyeur themselves. Sometimes possibly the young model if naive and impressionable.
Some females use their young looks to empower themselves, to have fun at the expense of middle aged and elderly men (and sometimes women). Dangerous. Read the book or see the film 'Lolita'.

If I lived closer to Shelly and had the money I'd love to photograph her, but I would choose carefully which and how many examples of the shoot I'd show and who my audience was.

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Hi Kim, i have worked with you a few times, take way the pink top ripped jeans n pink trainers(which are all my own clothes by the way,:-> which i wear on a normal day) ......I still don't look my age @ all so, what your saying is that internet modelling sites would reject me coz i don't look my age(i could wear a bin bag n still wouldn't look my age) :-

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And the styles that i like doing should be kept personal coz not everyone shares the same views as me, is that basically it ?its strange coz how do ,as i said this before Britney spears or movies like St Tinian's/ mean girls, get away with basically doing the same style n its ok?........
should i stop model modelling because of this, should i stop going out to clubs, incase i cant get in, should i not pass my driving test, because i'm going get pulled over by police once they see me behind the wheel....

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Hi Shelly

My comments about the schoolgirl theme were aimed at the theme itself, not you. As I pointed out you have some really good images in your portfolio, it's just personal taste I guess.

As for Britney Spears I don't like any of her music let alone her video's.

That'll be my age again

Steve

"18, looks younger would you shoot ME? HELP"

Sorry shelly your a pretty girl but statements like this are disgusting what kind of image are you trying to portray in your modelling and what kind of audience are you wantng to cater for?

You have some nice images but if google picked up your header it could attract the wrong type of crowd to Madcow and that would be a shame with the amount of hard work James has put in here.

Try an adult modelling site if you really want to sell yourself with the schoolgirl etc iam sure plenty of them there will jump at the chance but with how the industry is now adays many photographers wont go near simply because it implies underage material.

Dawn
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Quoting sbp from post 8

lol everyone gets there tho, best enjoy it while i can :->

i see its the "whole theme",your not happy with thanks i was just trying to understand more
thanks about the comments on my profile, i'm trying a few diffrent things and then when i'm happy with styles i like, i will do more..

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Hiya Shelly

I'm giving you the benefit of the doubt with your title as I see it as a genuine question and concern, rather than an advertisement to shoot a girl that looks underage.

The schoolgirl look lies in the fetish category, same as cheerleader and other categories to do with youth. Of course, in many countries schoolgirls and cheerleaders are 18+ years old (think of the USA where secondary school ends at about 18 years old, and they still call college and university "school"). In the UK we have a slightly different and, on average, much younger definition of "school". So yes, Britney may have (I emphasise may have) been playing an 18-year old "senior" in high school, and she did look like she was probably at least that old (sorry Britney). Anyway, cultural differences I guess. I'm not going to comment on my personal feelings about her video, just supply a bit more info of age differences around the world.

As for your portfolio, I think the fact that you look so young, much younger than 18, a photographer may feel worried that when someone views his/her portfolio, they may be accused of shooting minors in fetish situations. A very well known photographer might get away with it (people would know they wouldn't shoot minors in those situations) if they have a really good reputation (still, I say might), but your average photographer might get bombarded with emails saying "you sicko" and the like, from people that assume the model was younger.

For this reason, it might be better to fill your portfolio of images with styles that photographers are comfortable shooting you in. It doesn't mean you can't do fetish, but schoolgirl might be a bit off-putting to many, for good reasons. However, other types of fetish (nurse, etc.) or glamour would probably get you more work as you aren't actively reinforcing the fact that you look so young.

Does that make any sense? I'm trying to answer your question which I do really think is genuine. Don't let your young-looking looks stop you from modelling, just put a lot of thought into what you choose to do (something that all models do anyway) and always think of your audience.

Cheers,
Nixie

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Quoting Shelly18 from post 10

hi Dawn, thanks for the posting, but I think you have the wrong end of stick, I'm not trying to seek work or a booking...
I'm trying to get Advice, about why me doing a sexy school girl shoot is so wrong, as this style has worked for people like Britney Spears,
and many others, you only have to pick up FHM or ZOO and see a sexy school girl theme style shoot so when you say
"with how the industry is now days many photographers won't go near simply because it implies underage material" how does that work, it's so confusing :- <
Is the Britney spears music video wrong?, or movies like St Tinian's in fact I think FHM did a St Tinian's style shoot when the movie came out (not 100% sure)
& you only have to be out on weekend to see a bunch of girls dressed up as school girls..
My mates mum had birthday party few weeks ago, all her mates were dressed up as
sexy school girls, knee socks, pig tails the whole whoppa, she even hired a pro tog to take photos of them,
at a restaurant s and when they were in the clubs. ....why is it different?.
If a model has a profile on here with like 200 photos and all of them were of her school girl or sexy teen,

then i can see why you would have concerns, because that all she would be promoting I'm trying out many different styles...
I don't want to-do Adult modelling, if I did I would already have it on my profile, as for James,
I run everything pass him, before I posted this thread.

Remember James is not daft, if he feels photos are not right for his site, he will simply remove them.
The sexy school girl style is just one style out of many that I do...
I'm basically trying to get loads of advice, to decided weather or not I should continue doing this style..

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Quoting NixieMunroPhotography from post 11

thanks you every much Nixi, thats the kind of advice i'm seeking, i'm glad you read the thread before, jummping down my throat, ...... this is a genuine question, may be my title wasnt perfect.. i will ask james to change it, but the advice you gave me is great, its kind of making a bit more sense, thanks

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I'm leaning more to, not doing any sexy school girl shoots, and removing my photos its way 2much trouble.. i cant even take photos in my own clothers i wear normally, thats just crazy but what can you do

shelly

I've worked with Shelly and know that the last thing on her mind are adult shots of any type. All models start somewhere, Shelly happens to have used one genre that has met with some disapproval, that's life in the free and democratic society we're supposed to be living in.

My take is this; it's the photographer that selects and books the model, it's the photographer that poses the model and it's the photographer who decides which clothes the model will or won't be wearing, unless you have an art director to do it for you, but I can never find mine.... then finally it's the photographer that presses the shutter.

The art or otherwise of a picture is in the eye of the beholder, to slightly paraphrase the old cliche, and it's the photographer looking into the eyepiece that can behold what the final picture will look like. No one else.

I know Shelly is genuinely worried as a fairly new model as to what is and what isn't acceptable in this business. I have been heartened to see that the posts in response to her thread have been so positive and offered her so much good advice.

Shelly is not a shallow model in it just for the money, she wants to help produce good pictures, to learn and mature as a person and as a model. Sure she'll make mistakes, that's how we all learn. She is one of many on this site that wants to progress, meet photographer's requirements, offer a service that is both reliable and fun and I think if someone like Shelly asks a question like this it needs the continued support of her peers that I've seen here today.

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"It's the photographer looking into the eyepiece that can behold what the final picture will look like. No one else." - sxtog

I think that's the other concern a model has when posing in a greyish area like "schoolgirl", etc. Although the model may have an idea in mind as to what the photo will be like (innocent and lighthearted, for example), only the photographer can really see the finished product (even if only in their mind as they haven't done the editing yet).

A model may have an idea that the photo will be bright and cheery when finished, when actually the finished product may look like voyeuristic, as though someone took an actual photo of a minor in their bedroom, as opposed to a model on a set (even if that setting was in a house, it's still a set).

So again, yeah, it's the difference between the feeling of "this is a photo of a model" and "this is a photo of a minor". And in many situations, only the photographer will know which direction the photo will be going, and which way people will interpret it.

I'm not saying photographers always have full direction of a shoot and the model has no input (I'm a model as well as photographer and know this isn't true), but as you said sxtog, only the photographer knows in advance what the final picture will look like. And, I would add, what sort of audience will like it.

Shelly, I think the photos you have in your portfolio at present are all lovely. Your youthful beauty shines through without pushing the idea that you're "underage". The trashed goth look is ace, and the lingerie shots are spot-on. Your current avatar pic (black and white kneeling, looking up) is a great submissive pose, and I can really see you doing lots of submissive style work (perhaps a good alternative to schoolgirl?).

Anyway, you've got some really lovely work in your portfolio Shelly, and it sounds like you're fun to work with - I'm sure you'll do well.

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I just wanted ask, these models did a sexy school girl shoot with ZOO mag
i dont see a problem, this is cool right? and ok

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Its early my spelling is really bad :-> sorry

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I think that the main theme is that schoolgirl themes are seen as passe and not PC these days Shelly. To most of us it'd be a harmless fun type shoot, but to open yourself to the PC brigade in such a way would be unthinkable to a lot of toggers. There's a market for it I'm sure, as there's a market for extreme bondage, but it's not a market that your average togger would be comfortable getting involved it.

I keep to myself much of the time. I don't ask for critiques of my images nor do I make criticisms of others, but even I wouldn't put images of a schoolgirl type shoot on my profile as I'd open myself up to criticisms that are difficult and tiresome to defend. I would do such a shoot if the model requested it (and she was over 1 but I wouldn't display the results on my profile.

That's me. If you like the theme then that's you, and you have a right to like what you wish without being criticised for it, in my opinion, but I'm too far away to be much use to you! You have a lovely look, maybe you should try some Pinup? That has an innocence about it which is very much in vogue right now.

If this had helped I'm glad, if it hasn't - oops, sorry!

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I do understand Ozone, what you mean, but i don€™t understand how it can so acceptable in some cases and in other totally bad

I€™m just waiting on the video i posted to work, so everyone can see what i mean.... the shoot was done by ZOO mag, which isnt even a top shelf, mag anyone can buy it... so if Zoo can do a school girl shoot with Tool Academy Girls, why are they not getting stick for it, or why are they not in fear of promoting underage..... if ZOO offer a tog or model some job, and it was school girl shoot, just like the Tool Academy Girls ,would you turn it down?

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Hiya Shelly - was it this one?

www.youtube.com/watch?v=dB1I1CqC9N0

I think that shoot was perfectly fine as it was a schoolgirl fetish/lingerie shoot involving models that were obviously not underage schoolgirls (no way were any of them under 18 ).

The difference would be if Zoo Magazine actively looked for absolutely the youngest looking 18-year-old they could possibly find, put her in a bedroom that looked like it belonged to a child, and took provocative photos of her. In that case, they'd be actively trying to create a photo that looked like it was taken of a an actual minor in that minor's own bedroom, in which the parents may or may not have been aware of what was happening. I don't want to go any further with my description as you can imagine that things like that (with actual minors) do happen (obviously not with Zoo Magazine but with other "photographers").

As far as some things being "so acceptable" and some things being "totally bad" - I think that is the case, but there are many many shades of grey in between. So it might be better not to think of schoolgirl fetish as a completely black and white genre, but one where much thought needs to be put into "what kind of image am I trying to create?". Is it one of fantasy (photo of a model in fetish mode) or one heading towards realism (photo that looks like it was taken illegally) - and what type of person will be drawn to it?

If it's one where you're using the common motifs universally associated with schoolgirl fetish (pleated skirts, chalk boards, etc.) it should be fine. If, however, you're going for the very young-looking girl pretending to be an actual very young girl in a child's setting but posing provocatively, this can get you into a bit of trouble. Particularly with the police where they'd need to investigate if they thought something untoward might be going on involving a minor.

So my answer would be that most things lie in the gray area and you just need to use your own judgment and life experience to decide what's appropriate. The more you model the more you experience these dilemmas concerning many types of shoots, not just age-related. There are moral and legal aspects of many types of modelling - for example I have to be careful doing bondage modelling, as it has its own legal limits and ramifications in the UK. But as I know you think and care about these things deeply, I'm sure you'll be fine.

Hope that a helps a bit? I do try to explain these things, and it would be easier if I was able to link to photos that I think are completely irresponsible on the part (primarily) of the photographer (i.e. creating a photo where they're really trying to trick the viewer into believing they actually photographed a real minor in a provocative setting, but used a legal model for the rather unfunny "trick"), but I wouldn't want to give photos like that the light of day.

It's great that you're asking questions though, as a lot of people would be afraid to. My opinion is only that - my opinion. But it's so lovely of you ask the community what the rest of us think as it shows you do care.

Nixie
(wearing in my modelling hat this time)
xx

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Hi Nixie,

yes that was the ytv, I totally understand fully now, thank you for explaining it so well, the difference in sexy school girl ( zoo) & sexy school girl with a hidden agenda....

Thanks, sorry I didn't get it before; I'm so blonde sometimes :->

And thanks to everyone who posted, even the ones who posted negative comments.... it all helps

Thanks

Shelly

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My little input.

Yer your 18 but you look well younger. If someone was to come across your photos they would think WTF "She looks so young". I mean ive just taken a look at your new photos the "Drunk Looking" theme. In my eyes the way your posing, looking its like you've been forced. But i can see its a theme. I think its just your young look.

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Hi aboutlee, its true what you say, but that just how i was made, if any 1 saw me driving a car,they would think WTF too lol but i'm not going to stop leaning to drive :-> "Drunk Looking" theme" i'm glad you thought that,because i was going for that look,i wanted to look trashed,wasted and almost not on this planet.. i wanted to do this so much, and i after looking at the photos i was telling the tog take some again as i wanted to look even more wasted...... i'm pretty good at doing the cute baby" look n i wanted something to say.......i can also be very very DARK!! if needed :-> x

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I like the trashed goth as it reminds me of a student going through Freshers week at Uni and makes me giggle.

You must let me know if you're coming up this way Shelly so we can do a "dark" shoot together. xx

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Quoting Nixie from post 25

i would love to work with you, your photos are amazing, if i do get the chance i will defo let you know

xxx mwah :->

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S

Quoting Nixie from post 25

Quoting Shelly18 from post 26

Sounds awesome to me Nixie is the sweetest model I know and such a lovely soul and I am sure that you will both make some excellent photographs together and Nixie is a very talented photographer herself

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Awww, thanks sunnywigan sweetie! I think Shelly should come up to the studio and play in the wardrobe. John and I have lots of new stuff that hasn't been used yet! xx

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Not going to say much about the whole age related stuff,

But will point out that Britney Spears did not look uner 18 when she did the video you talk about but also point out that she was and still has been slated for touching on the school girl themed video even in the US,

also the Zoo girls all Look well over 23 from the youtube vid they are also hardly in a Uniform the only part that could relate to one was the tie, I couldnt coment on the image they had in the mag as I dont read the mag,



But I would have to totally agree with Steve "I find the schoolgirl look disturbing" or any look that is portraying a young person to be even younger than they are.

(could also be that I have a daughter)

you have some very good images in your Port Shelly and a good number that shows not only do you have a good look and in a "good" way you have some shots that make you look older than 18.

One thing to remember is no matter how young or old you are or look its how the image is portrayed.


best wishes
James.

I think James covered it, but my thoughts are as follows.

Firstly yes I've seen your profile, you are very attractive, but I think you're pigeon holing your look, and that is never a good idea. Successful models tend to be versatile in there look, and you can offer so much more.

Your argument with Britney Spears 'Hit Me One More Time' video, and the St Tinian's films is a little weak. I'm not aiming to offend, but I get the feeling you are using that reference to justify your preference for that style. Besides, Britney wasn't in the school girl outfit for the whole video, only for the first 1 minute 30 seconds (ish), and she chose the look to make an impact. It was also the one and only time she adopted that particular look for a video.

Something you need to consider with that look is, when someone looks at that image they don't see Shelly the 18 year old playing a school girl. They just see the school girl. They don't know you, or the situation that image was taken in. Instead they perceive and imagine based on what they see.

For example, the image of you on the bed with your shirt open and bra half off, using your mobile phone. Man that could be interpided in so many ways, most of which aren't good. Do you really want to attract that kind of attention.

You have some great images that don't portray you as a school girl, such as the black and white shot of you on the bed, dated October 27th 2011. That is a lovely image in its own right.

These are purely my thoughts alone, but you need to consider your long term career. Would you be happy with these pictures in 10, 20, 30 years time, maybe when you have kids?

You are young and in a fortunate position to have the looks to go far. Think about what you want to achieve long term, and guide your career towards those goals. The mistakes you make now, can come back to bite you in the ass later, so think carefully.

best of luck, Matt.

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Quoting mattauckland from post 30

Hi Mat thanks for posting, I wasn't going to reply, as my question has been full answered now Nixies, answered it best

Thanks for saying I'm very attractive, I'm tying my best not pigeon hole my look, I have done trashed Goth type trash shoot which is totally different to style of shoot I normally do. I am willing to try any style once to see if I like it or not, if I like I will continue to-do it
I don't think my argument with Britney Spears 'Hit Me One More Time' video, and the St Tinian's films are at weak at all. I needed an example which most people would know, I wasn't just saying those two individually. I meant the whole style gene etc, I don't wish to offend either, but I was using them as reference because I have done that style with a few photographers and I wanted to know what people thought. Like I said Nixies, explained it perfectly

to say Britney wasn't in the school girl outfit for the whole video, only for the first 1 minute 30. That's that's irrelevant, it doesn't matter if she was in the video for 3seconds or 2 hours, she was dressed a school girl and that's what she portraying. It doesn't matter if that was only one and only time she adopted that particular look for a video, ask someone to name Britney video and 9 out 10 times it will be 'Hit Me One More Time' video, she didn't need to-do it again.(the video did what it supposed to-do) To say she looked older than 18 years old, you may think that, I bet there are 1,000 of people who would say the opposite

I understand what you mean about people perception, but that's based on that individually I'm sure
Have ever seen those black n white ink pictures that doctors use, mostly in films and they say €śwhat do you see€ť some people see a butterfly, some people see two people dancing.. It's a bit like that.

€śYour comment about €śSomething you need to consider with that look is, when someone looks at that image they don't see Shelly the 18 year old playing a school girl. They just see the school girl. They don't know you, or the situation that image was taken in. Instead they perceive and imagine based on what they see€ť.....

Let's forget the school girl & Britney for a minutes because I don't want people focusing on just that, what you're saying I agree with, but that goes for many of the photos I have done..

This photo of me

www.madcowmodels.co.uk/modeling_photo/id/17641/Shelly18s-photomanipulation-modeling...

This is what you said €śsuch as the black and white shot of you on the bed, dated October 27th 2011. That is a lovely image in its own right€ť

I have had people rip me to bits over that, saying same thing, I look underage, I look young etc it's disgusting... so you see where I'm going, if I listen to everyone I may as well shut down my profile and give up on my ambition

After reading post's I have come to conclusion it's not about if I'm dressed as school girl or not, I it's about if I'm purposely involved in shoot where the tog is, trying to make me look under age(school girl or not) .....Just (Like what Nixies said) which i have never done and I will stay well way from.

you also said €śyou need to consider your long term career. Would you be happy with these pictures in 10, 20, 30 years time, maybe when you have kids?€ť

I can't think like that being a model, if I did I would stop modelling, I don't know what around the next corner... but hey slowdown 30 years from now I will would be like 50 lol at that age I wouldn't give shittttttttttttt what people thought lol and kids phffffffffff i dont think so lol

Please don't take anything I said personally , I have got the info and advice I needed from this post and I know what I'm going to-do from now.

Thanking everyone again for posting
Shelly

Hi,

Age issues aside, can I throw something else into the conversation, for others if you've got all you need from this thread? "Light" & "Branding"

Without any light you have no photo. I don't shoot that sort of photo but the Zoo images will have been taken with good studio lighting giving them a very different feel that sets them apart from "snaps in a girls bedroom". Look at Playboy centrefold images from the 90's. A model would have to hold a pose for ages while hair, makeup, outfits and lighting were perfected to the extreme. What I'm trying to say is that you could take the same person in the same clothes and get two images worlds apart through lighting and attention to detail.

Ask yourself where you want to be in 5 years modelling wise, if you plan to stick at it. And why you're doing it. How would you market yourself, become a brand? Doing trashed images still or something different, fashion maybe, or more artistic? If you do well and things take off would any past images being dug up hurt your brand?

Mark

I would say you are doing fine, just make sure you keep control of your image. I had noticed your 'trashed' photos before and I think they are very striking and you should be proud of that look. But now, maybe go to the opposite side and do an angelic side in a bridal gown or something. Show people your full range and make sure you are not type-cast.

If I were near Leeds, I'd book you!

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Quoting Timbee from post 33

Thank you very much thats soooo nice of you, thanks for the advice
:->

I'm not being nice: I'm telling the truth. What a photographer wants, and we have been discussing this in another forum about tattoos, is versatility. Your portfolio suggests you have that, so build on it and you can go as far as you like.

Hi, I`d work with you doing anything but schoolgirl type shoots whether thats one of your faves or not. Preferring lingerie over kit off teen stuff, but I`m older as a prior poster mentioned, no prude, check some of my shoot pics lol.
Your 18-ish and have a great figure, nice boobs, eyes, hair etc, in my humble opinion you could get pigeon holed doing teen stuff and attract the weirder elements that do frequent photographer/model sites.
Better to look to do a smidge more adult looking stuff. thats my 2 cents worth.
jim

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Thanks for the advice Jim defo i'm looking todo more stuff thats diffrent to being pigeon holed as cute teen, :-> i will send you a PM ...

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Quoting Shelly18 from post 37

Problem there Shelly is ,you are a very cute teen and obviously enjoy that fact.Don't beat yourself up about it ,enjoy and have fun.good luck stay safe Chris

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Quoting krissb from post 38

Thank you krissb your right, i was getting all stressed about it,
"have fun.good luck stay safe" best advice ever :-> i do the shoots i want

shelly

I've taken pics of a 21 yo girl in a dress for a bands EP cover. She wore the dress which fitted the image we wanted (innocent) but after seeing the pics people (who hadn't seen her before) thought she was about 16 or so therefore the whole shoot was binned. People just want to err on the side of safety and decency thats all.

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Quoting RockImages from post 40

I understand, but at the time you thought the images were cool tho and so did the band its only what the majority of other people thought which made you and the band decided to scrap it...is that right?


About the binned shoot, couldn€™t you photo shop it or something like this

picdit.wordpress.com/2008/11/20/a-20-year-old-model-photographed-as-if-she-were-...

shelly

The pics will be used for something else as the model is over the moon with them